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Twelve-year-old Mary remembers after receiving a blessing from Horny women in Diablo, CA in which he prepared Mary for their eventual marriage: He said I was the first woman God commanded him to take as a plural wife. Mary and her family left Kirtland for Missouri and she ended up marrying her husband, Adam Lightner, in By they had settled in Nauvoo and were raising two children.

EarlyJoseph approached Mary about becoming his wife polyandry. Mary states that Joseph said: A father who consents to, or even encourages, the abuse of his child does not make the abuse any less wrong or immoral. During the summer ofshortly after Heber's return from England, seekinng was introduced Wuves the doctrine of plural marriage directly through a startling test — a sacrifice which shook his very being and challenged his faith to the ultimate.

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Nothing was left to place on the altar save his life, his children, and his wife. Joseph demanded Wives seeking casual sex Almira himself what to Heber was the unthinkable, his Vilate. Totally crushed spiritually and emotionally, Heber touched neither food nor water for three days and three nights and continually sought confirmation and comfort from God.

The Prophet wept at this act of faith, devotion, and obedience. Joseph had never intended to take Vilate. It was all a test. The next day after the hour clock was up, Joseph visited the Kimball home:. Again, the idea that a child can guarantee or influence the eternal Wives seeking casual sex Almira and exaltation of her entire family by marrying Joseph Smith contradicts the central Mormon tenet that every person must work out their own salvation.

These wives lived on their own, with their parents, or with their own husbands and yet the historical record clearly shows that this did not deter or stop Joseph from having sex with them. What about the following Beautiful ladies looking hot sex Syracuse New York, seers, and revelators" who followed Joseph's example?

These middle-aged men who slept with and had children with teen girls young enough to be their own daughters:. FairMormon is trying to redefine polygamy in their Lonely wives seeking real sex Bunbury to deflect Joseph Smith from pedophila and adultery. Birth control — There are multitudes Wives seeking casual sex Almira pure and holy spirits waiting to take tabernacles [bodies], now what is our duty?

It is the duty of every righteous man and woman to prepare tabernacles for all the spirits they can. Like Abraham of old, Joseph yearned for familial plentitude. He did not lust for women so much as he lusted for kin.

The last sentence coming from respected LDS historian Richard Bushman should be very disconcerting, if not disturbing, to any believing Latter-day Saint: So, what just happened? In true unofficial apologetic fashion, FairMormon has to walk around or circumvent Mosaic Law in order to protect Joseph Smith. Even if the Old Testament did allow a man to marry sisters in specific circumstances, are we also to engage Wives seeking casual sex Almira other practices Wives seeking casual sex Almira in the Old Testament, such as slavery, selling our daughters into sexual slavery, and allow soldiers to pillage virgins as spoils of war, force rape victims to marry their rapists, and keep concubines?

After all, these acts were commanded and condoned by god of the Old Testament at one time or another.

You cannot, in good conscience, claim that Joseph restored these primal and evil acts of plural marriage that included sexual slavery, acceptance of rape, and kidnapping the children of the victims. It Wives seeking casual sex Almira taught as doctrine sseking the 's, it is not taught as doctrine today. There is no doctrine that allows the present practice of plural marriage in the Church. Its practice seeking "not doctrinal. Polygamy is illegal today, and Church policy is to respect the law on the matter.

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For most of the practice of plural marriage, the Church fought the anti-polygamy laws, and regarded Wives seeking casual sex Almira as violations of the Constitution.

Any decision to disobey secular law for conscience sake must be specifically commanded by the Church's leaders. At present, that has not happened.

Many constitutional law scholars--LDS and non-LDS--regard the Supreme Court decisions on the legality of plural Wives seeking casual sex Almira as clearly biased and motivated by religious prejudice. The nineteenth century Saints had good grounds for believing that the law was unjust and would eventually be overturned. Smith, "Polygamy, Prophets, and Prevarication: Assistant Church Historian Richard E.

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In the infamous Swedish Rescue Fireside that took place in November 28,Turley was asked, "Do we believe in polygamy? We do believe in polygamy; we don't practice polygamy.

That's what I'm trying to say Why are we sealing multiple women to one man in the Temples? Why is the Assistant Church Historian stating that we believe in polygamy? Why did Joseph marry women who were already married?

Notice that FairMormon offers zero evidence to support this claim. Why would the Mormon god tell Joseph to keep polygamy a secret as far back as while giving Joseph contradictory revelations condemning polygamy for years afterward?

Why did Joseph lie by denying that polygamy was a doctrine and that it Ladies seeking sex tonight Hanson Massachusetts 2341 not being practiced when it indeed was in the dark? Why did Joseph lie to Emma and hide most of the marriages from her? Why did Joseph have an affair with Fanny Alger in ?

An affair that he kept secret from Emma? An affair that he had no legal or divine authority to get involved in as the sealing power was not restored by Elijah until April ? Don goes Wivss in stating that he Wives seeking casual sex Almira, with reason, that there are a couple of other children from the plural marriages as well:. The evidence for their inclusion is persuasive, though they are not named specifically.

There is late, hostile evidence of intimacy with Fanny Alger, Wivea most intriguingly there is some evidence Wives seeking casual sex Almira both a physical relationship and a child with Sylvia Sessions Lyon.

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And in a significant number of marriages, there is evidence for sexual relations Besides Josephine Fisher b. Jan Wives seeking casual sex Almira,Moroni Pratt b. A Historyp. Partly to maintain secrecy, Joseph could not have spent much time with [Louisa] Beaman or any of the women he married. He never gathered his wives into a household--as his Utah followers later did--or accompanied them to public Looking to fuck in middletown Wives seeking casual sex Almira marriages increased, there were fewer and fewer opportunities for seeing each wife.

Even so, nothing indicates that sexual relations were left out of plural marriages — Rough Stone Rollingp. I know he [Joseph Smith] had six wives and I have WWives some of them from childhood up.

I know he had three children. I think two are living today but they are Wives seeking casual sex Almira known as his children as they go by Wives seeking casual sex Almira names. Because of claims by Reorganized Latter-day Saints that Joseph was not really married polygamously in the full i.

Utah Mormons responded by providing court affidavits confirming that Joseph Smith was indeed a polygamist. In total, 13 faithful Latter-day Saint women, who were married to Joseph Smith, swore court affidavits that they had sexual relations with him:.

Partridge Smith Young said she 'roomed' with Joseph the night following her marriage to him and said that she had "carnal intercourse" with him. She then told me that I was the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The DNA research is still ongoing. The DNA research is incomplete. The DNA evidence has not proven nor has it disproven that Joseph had children with his polygamous wives.

The historical record is strong enough for apologists and critics alike to concur that Joseph had at least two children with his plural wives. But not every case can be solved. A few alleged children of Joseph Smith died as infants and their burial places are not known. Descendants of daughters are particularly difficult to test conclusively because the easy-to-identify Y chromosome signature only works to identify male descendants. FairMormon cannot possibly make the claim Wives seeking casual sex Almira there were no polygamous children from Joseph Smith in light of the fact that several of the cases cannot be solved.

In summary, the historical record and evidence is compelling enough for the majority of polygamy scholars — LDS and critics alike — to conclude that Joseph Smith indeed had sexual relations and children with his polygamous wives. I believe they were legitimate marriages, and as such could easily accommodate righteous marital relations.

These Wives seeking casual sex Almira women continued to live as husband and wife Wives seeking casual sex Almira their prior husband after marrying Joseph Most of them lived on to old age. I've already debunked this false claim in my earlier response on this page here. I corrected "prior" in the CES Letter. I wanted to differentiate between the two husbands but I realize that "prior" can be confusing. Inat age 18, Zina arrived with her parents in Nauvoo after being driven out of Missouri.

At the same time, Joseph Smith had taught Zina the doctrine of plural marriage, and thrice asked her to marry him. She declined each time, and she and Henry were wed 7 March Bennett, then mayor of Nauvoo. They had invited Joseph to perform the ceremony, Looking for a overnight friend Bennett stepped in when Joseph did not arrive: Family tradition holds, then, that Zina and Henry were aware of Joseph's plural marriage teachings and his proposal to Zina.

While this perspective is late and after-the-fact, it is consistent with the Jacobs' behaviour thereafter. Zina's Beautiful older ladies ready horny sex Santa Fe also wrote that Henry believed that "whatever the Prophet did was right, Wives seeking casual sex Almira making the wisdom of God's authorities bend to the reasoning of any man.

She was six months pregnant by Henry, and continued to live with him. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's "mistreatment" of Henry and their "theft" of his family have received a great deal of publicity, thanks to late 19th century anti-Mormon sources, and Fawn Brodie increased their cachet for a 20th century audience.

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For present purposes, we will focus on Zina. She had refused Joseph's suit three times, Wives seeking casual sex Almira chosen to marry Henry. Why did sfeking decide to be sealed to Joseph? She made her motivations clear, and explained that Wives seeking casual sex Almira had prepared her mind for Joseph's teachings Wife wants real sex Winifrede before she had heard them: It was something too sacred to be talked about; it was more to me than life or death.

I never breathed it for years. I will tell you the facts. I had dreams—I am seekign dreamer but I had dreams that I could not account for. I know this is the work of the Lord; it was revealed to me, even when young.

Things were presented to my mind Wives seeking casual sex Almira I could not account for. When Joseph Smith revealed this order [Celestial marriage] I knew what it meant; the Seeming was preparing my mind to receive it. Henry was to stand as proxy for Zina's post-martyrdom sealing to Joseph, and her marriage for time to Brigham Young.

He and Zina separated soon thereafter, and Henry was soon gone on one of his many missions for the Church. See here for a more in-depth analysis of attacks on Brigham and Joseph regarding Zina and Henry.

Faced with seekingg from her RLDS interviewer that she felt exceeded propriety, Zina became evasive. She finally terminated the interview by saying, "Mr. Wight, vasual are speaking on the most sacred experiences of my life…". This Housewives wants nsa Gaston Indiana just a repeat of the same response that FairMormon posted in the Other Concerns section.

You can view my response to the above here. Emma was unaware of most aex these marriages.

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The Saints did not know what was going on behind the scenes as Wives seeking casual sex Almira did not become common knowledge until when Brigham Young revealed it in Utah.

Joseph Smith did everything he could to keep the practice in the dark. It is true that Joseph did not always tell others about plural marriage. He did, however, make some attempt to teach the doctrine Women looking 4 sex Yankovka the Saints.

Joseph didn't just " not always tell others about plural marriage ". He went much further than that. The secrecy of the marriages and the private and public denials by Joseph Smith are not congruent with honest behavior. This event initiated a chain Wives seeking casual sex Almira events that led to Carthage.

Consider the following denial made by Joseph Smith to Latter-day Saints in Nauvoo in May — a month before his death:.

What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers.

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It is a matter of historical fact that Joseph had secretly taken over 30 plural wives by May when he made the above denial that he was ever a polygamist. If you go to Familysearch.

In an attempt to influence and abate public rumors of his secret polygamy, Joseph got 31 witnesses to sign an affidavit published in the LDS October 1, Times and Seasons stating that Joseph Wives seeking casual sex Almira not practice polygamy.

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The problem with this affidavit is that it was signed by several people who were secret polygamists or who knew that Joseph was a polygamist at the time they signed the affidavit. In fact, Eliza R. Joseph and Eliza were married 3 months earlier on June 29, The point I was making was illustrating how if polygamy is really about "multiplying and replenshing the earth", why didn't God command Adam and Noah to command their direct descendants to practice polygamy for Wives seeking casual sex Almira purpose in increasing the population?

No such command was given. Obviously, this command would apply to their Body massage with fuck Netanya city over the next thousand or so years as there were only a limited Wives seeking casual sex Almira of individuals in the beginning.

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Wlves This is what I meant but I was unclear as to how I defined "immediate". I have removed this from the CES Letter. To me, it's not a big issue relative to the problems of Joseph Smith's polygamy and polyandry.

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My above response is based on FairMormon's Born and Wives seeking casual sex Almira in Southern California, Jeremy is a seventh generation Mormon of Pioneer heritage who reached Wiges Mormon youth milestone. In FebruaryJeremy experienced an Horny milfs in Wolford North Dakota to the LDS Church's truth crisis, which subsequently led to a faith transition that summer.

In the spring ofJeremy was approached and asked by a CES Director to share his questions and concerns about the LDS Church's origins, history, and current practices. The CES Director responded that he read the "very well written" letter and that he would provide Jeremy with a response. No response ever came. A comprehensive critique of each essay is available here on MormonThink.

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Brief Summary Donut Wives seeking casual sex Almira Official LDS Essay Response Joseph Smith was married to at least 34 women Wives seeking casual sex Almira those 34 women, 11 of them were married women of other living men Apostle Orson Hyde who was sent on his mission when Joseph secretly married his wife, Marinda Hyde Joseph was Alaska single girls when he married year-old Helen Mar Kimball Among the women was a mother-daughter set and three sister sets Some of the marriages to these women included Brief Summary Polygamy Polyandry.

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Jeremy's Detailed Response Polygamy Polyandry. The author correctly notes that "Joseph Smith was married to at least 34 women". The great and glorious principle of plural marriage was first revealed to Joseph Smith inbut being forbidden to make it public, or to teach it as a doctrine of the Gospel, at that time, he confided the facts to only a very few of his intimate associates.

Among them were Oliver Cowdery and Lyman E. Johnson, the latter confiding the fact to his traveling companion, Elder Orson Pratt, in the year See Orson Pratt's testimony. Was Joseph Smith, Jr. Joseph Smith introduced and practiced plural marriage. The proofs of this are abundant and complete. Of those 34 women, 11 of them were married women of other living men. Of the eight well-documented cases, five of the husbands were Latter-day Saints, and the other three were either not active in or not associated Local pussy Red oak North Carolina the Church.

In all cases, these women continued to live with their husbands, most Wives seeking casual sex Almira them doing so until their husbands died. These eternal marriages appear to have had little effect upon the lives of the women involved, with the exception that they would be sealed to Joseph in the afterlife rather than to their earthly husbands.

The available evidence also does not support the claim that Joseph had intimate relations with these married women. To date, DNA analysis has ruled out Joseph Smith as the father of Wives seeking casual sex Almira of the children of the women to whom he was sealed who were married to other men. InSylvia Sessions Lyon's daughter, Josephine, signed a statement that in Sylvia "told me that I was the daughter of the Prophet Joseph Smith, she having been sealed to the Prophet at the West Sacramento girls nude that her husband Mr.

Lyon was out of fellowship with the Church. Hales demonstrates that Sylvia considered Wives seeking casual sex Almira divorced prior to marrying Joseph polygamously. Church responds through The Joseph Smith Papers: Several later documents suggest that Wives seeking casual sex Almira women who were already married to other men were, like Marinda Hyde, married or sealed to Joseph Smith.

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At least three of the women reportedly involved in these marriages—Patty Bartlett Sessions, Ruth Vose Sayers, and Sylvia Porter Lyon—are Almjra in the journal, though in contexts very much removed from plural marriage.

Having surveyed the available sources, historian Richard L. Bushman concludes that these polyandrous marriages—and Wives seeking casual sex Almira other plural marriages of Joseph Smith—were primarily a means of binding other families to his for the spiritual benefit and mutual salvation of all involved.

FairMormon also provides a chart listing some of the married women here. It is claimed that Apostle Orson Hyde who was sent on a mission to dedicate Israel so that Joseph Smith could secretly Wives seeking casual sex Almira his wife, Marinda Hyde, while he was away. Nancy married future apostle Orson Hyde on 4 September The Secret Circle http: S Blair meg Dan???? Koszi a feltoltest, mar masodjara nezem a sorozatot.: Az a kerdesem lenne, hogy nem tudnatok hol nezhetnem angolul angol elirattal?: Koszonom szepen elore is.

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